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This episode critically examines the historical and ongoing failures of the economics profession to adequately address climate change, arguing that economists were initially late to the game and often got it "horribly wrong." A central critique is leveled against "trade-off thinking," epitomized by the production possibility frontier, which frames climate protection as an alternative to consumption. The podcast asserts that a well-functioning climate is, in fact, the fundamental basis for producing goods and services, not a trade-off. This flawed perspective, combined with the externalization of climate change economics from the core of the discipline and its departments, has hindered effective policy development.
The discussion highlights the insidious influence of the fossil fuel industry, which has not only funded climate denial and captured politicians but also subtly shaped economic discourse. The episode reveals how energy and environmental economics, as a subfield, is deeply tied to fossil fuel companies through funding of research institutes, universities, and policy centers. A particularly egregious example is the American Petroleum Institute's educational partnerships with HBCUs and MSIs, despite the disproportionate harm fossil fuel extraction inflicts on Black, Brown, and Indigenous communities. The concept of the "carbon footprint," often used to shift responsibility to individual consumers, is exposed as a Pogo problem formulation, originally invented by British Petroleum to deflect attention from producers.
The podcast introduces the "political economy approach" as an alternative, focusing on who benefits from continued emissions and who bears the costs. This approach reveals a stark disproportionality in emissions responsibility across nations, corporations (e.g., the 100 "carbon majors"), and households, with the wealthiest segments contributing significantly more. This disproportionality explains why powerful interests, primarily fossil fuel companies and their allies, actively forestall climate action, while vulnerable communities and nations, despite suffering the greatest harms, lack the power to drive change.
Ultimately, the episode concludes that economics has largely been "weaponized" by interests seeking to avoid climate action, promoting models that downplay costs and impacts. Solving this political economy problem requires moving beyond interest-based conflicts through "just transitions" and "out-of-the-box approaches" that offer broader benefits. The podcast suggests that by addressing climate destabilization alongside other systemic issues like extreme inequality, structural racism, and the democracy deficit, "double and even triple dividend approaches" can emerge, making people better off while vigorously tackling the climate crisis.
"it would be wrong to commit ourselves to the principle that if fossil fuels and carbon dioxide are where the problem arises that would also be where the solution lies"
"a well-functioning climate is the basis for producing goods and services not an alternative to them"
"climate change economics was quite literally externalized from the core of the field itself"
"energy and environmental economics the standard term for the subfield is tied up with fossil fuel companies"
"weaponizing economics revealed the central role of economists who were paid by petroleum companies in promoting models that churned out results opposing climate action by claiming it is too expensive and the climate impacts wouldn't be too bad and that delay wouldn't be too costly"
"we have met the enemy and he is us"
"the very concept of the carbon footprint a pogo idea if there ever was one was invented by british petroleum in 2004"
"the responsibility for emissions is highly disproportionate at every level we consider nation corporation household"
"nearly half of the total growth in emissions from 1990 to 2015 was due to the richest 10 percent"
"exxon and other companies had a long history of doing climate science themselves... by the early 1980s internal documents reference quote potentially catastrophic events if fossil fuel use is not reduced"
"the fossil fuel companies capture politicians in numerous ways through direct campaign contributions pac contributions lobbying advertising and policy influence"
"countries with larger and more important fossil fuel industries are less likely to support ambitious climate goals"
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